Showing Stocking Tops

[alpcon]

First of all may I apologise for not posting since I joined but I have been working away in the middle of no where for what seems like an eternity and with no access to a pc. I will rectify this asap

I have just been reading the recents comments by phill and it is obvious that someone has really p****d him off!!

I would like to make an observation. Phill has produced some excellent posts of lovely ladies in stockings as is the case with practically everyone on this forum except it seems for one person Satin Jayde!!! who constantly winges about people posting her pics on this forum but has not posted any herself It could appear as though she is quite happy to look at all the pics posted by all the members but has no intention of posting any of her own.

Do we have to pay to see your pics Jayde or are you going to join in??

Please note that this is just an observation and not an accusation

[satinjayde]

[robertlamm]

[quote="satinjayde"]

[SimonP]

As I see it, Jayde has every right to ask people not to post pictures of her showing her face. She is happy for the older pics which don't show her face to be posted here and I think we should be grateful for that. We shouldn't really have any pictures here that are copyright so this is just the tip of the iceberg. My nightmare is that in 6 months time another Web model will arrive and ask us to find all of her pictures and remove them - you can imagine what a job that would be now, let alone once the board has been running for some time.

@ robertlamm: To answer your questions,

- Jayde got to be a Gold member because she approached me politely and privately asking me to remove a couple of pictures of her which had not even been made public. She was understandably upset and I offered her Gold membership so that she could keep an eye on the posts and ask for pictures to be removed as we go, rather than risk the scenario above.

- We have been talking about opening a "Web Ladies" area so that Jayde, Nikki, Sandy et al can post pictures there and have them separate from the rest of the board which we try hard to keep "amateur". I hope it will encourage some other web ladies here as well, a) so that they can ask for pictures that shouldn't have been posted here to be removed, b) because I think it lends credibility to the site to have them here, and c) we want this place to be happy and friendly and we'd rather have other web site owners on-side than make enemies because they are unhappy about what is being posted here.

- Our policy is that we are happy to remove any picture that anyone has a problem with so we'd rather be "policed" and know that we're not upsetting anyone than receive a letter from someone's lawyer. I don't believe anyone promotes their pay site here, we don't want that any more than you do, but with a Web Ladies forum they can gently "encourage" people to visit their site whilst contributing to the board and hopefully pointing people our way as well.

As far as Phil is concerned, he has pushed his luck as far as it will go. We really should ban him now but since he has contributed quite a lot, he has one last chance to behave and respect everyone else here or he really will be gone.

[beezer62]

Call me a cynic if you like but I run my own business and would find the prospect of 4,000+ potential customers all in one place a marketing opportunity too hard to resist.

If I could also keep the competition out (e.g. by becoming an Admin) and ensure my product was prominently displayed, then so much the better!

Simon: It's your forum and you call the shots, but I think you've made an error of judgement in allowing the webladies free rein. I suspect it may, even though I hope it doesn't, come back to bite you

Jayde: Don't be too hard on Phil. He's always been an enthusiastic poster (here and on the previous incarnation of the forum). English is not his first language and much gets lost in translation, n'est-ce pas? He's not the only one here who is somewhat suspicious of your motives, he just expresses it rather clumsily.

[SimonP]

The simple truth of the matter is that we're on shaky ground copyright-wise so I'm just trying to play it as safely as I can.

As for "free rein", not really, just the right to complain if they don't want their picture published here and maybe a place where they can post their pics that those who don't want to see them can avoid. If it doesn't work we can always remove it again.

[phil]

Hello there!
Yep, i'm french and don't write good english by the way but understand all what you say!
First of all, i think Jayde make a big mistake :
>>>The few pictures I objected to were the ones that Phil had posted showing my face.
CERTAINLY NOT!!! In fact, you don't know exactly wich one!!!??? So funny : don't remember your own face???
>>>Do we have to pay to see your pics Jayde or are you going to join in??
Of course, YOU MUST PAY!!! Nevertheless, on SST all pics are free!!!
I love and respect women, all of them!
Love this forum for a long time now and please Jayde, have a break and STAY cool...
>>>- You have made 5 posts to date, none of which include any pics. How did get to be a gold member?
- Who has proposed a "web models category"? I must have missed that post.
- Are you here with a view to (a) promoting your pay site, (b) policing this forum, or (c) being just another member?
Same questions than Robert !!!
Jayde : I NEVER PUT A PIC WITH YOUR FACE!!!
So, please, let me stay...
Regards

[borneo]

Woah..... In simple terms Anyone can be a member of this place, & its totally free....

To keep the Status Quo we will remove any picture anyone requests, without question

Our member Phil is confusing the issue here, Satinjayde is his scapegoat, what he has a problem with is the fact that ALL of his posts have to be monitored by us as more often than not they contain what is classed as porn, and in simple terms they will get us closed down, its as simple as that!
I (without my Moderators hat on) want to keep this site alive, if that is at the expense of what I term as a "loose cannon"(dangerous) poster then so be it,
So back to simple terms we had a choice,
1, do we let Phil carry on & get us closed within a week,?
2, do we tolerate his unbelievable childish behaviour,?
3, do we put him on probation in the hope that he becomes (again) the prolific poster he can be?
as you can all see we chose the latter

I also need to add that we are working with the web ladies, but these things take time, & all we all want is a smooth running, happy, Showing Stocking Tops site

And for the record it was me who requested that we have a "web ladies" area
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[Nikkisnylons]

Hi Beeyer62,

Just a point to put things straight a little here and lift the "join a forum and gain a marketing opportunity" mindset...

4,000 members is not even a minimal amount of "hits" or people visiting any semi pro or pro website, most that have been in businees or running for any length of time produce 100,000+ each month UNIQUE, (eg new, non recurring) visitors. Some of us, even those of us with Moderator or Admin status have our own forums or groups with 18,000-25,000 or more members already also... (i would be pleased to supply reference groups for you to check to confirm this).

Collecting "hits" from places like this group just isnt time effective even IF one would consider it as a reasonable thing to do in the first place...

We are simply members because we choose to be, and in many cases are promoters of stockings/nylons and wearing, some of us going so far as to arrange meetings, events, get togethers, etc, etc, in order to bring people who are interested in stockings wearing together. All of this has nothing to do with any commercial venture or the "filthy art of making money" or heaven forbid, covering costs of web services...

Genuine people in this genre are fairly easy to spot by the way, they are the people who are still wearing, still posting, still interested, and still with friends/posters willing to stand up for them and who are still running thier own site after many years, like Jayde afer 8 years or myself after 14 years for example...

Cynisim is fine in its place, but the idea that a professional web site would use any forum as a promotional vehicle is laughable...

Love,

Nikki.
xxx
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[phil]

>>>These pictures were taken from the members area of my new website, which I am understandably trying to restrict where abouts they are posted on the web.

You want my name and my number credit card Jayde?
Never pay for that, so, if i have pics of your new site, i've find them on the web (another site(s), forum(s)...)

>>>All of this has nothing to do with any commercial venture or the "filthy art of making money" or heaven forbid, covering costs of web services...

Yep Nikki, so, don't put "commercial" link on SST like Jayde!

[Nikkisnylons]

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I dont think i understand your latest posting addressed to me Phil? Perhaps you can explain in between rants where this has occurred?

Please note that MY posting was addressed to Beeyer and in repsonse to his post, not yours...

Nikki.
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[phil]

Just say that Jayde post her commercial link to her site on her posts...
I think that members prefer saw her (free) pics here and not only links to another (pay) site!
That's all!

[beezer62]

[satinjayde]

[ff.fancier]

[Nikkisnylons]

Sorry ff.fancier, let me clarify.

No site that uses common modern techniques to generate interest and hits in order to get more membership, still uses the forums or any other route of this sort. TGPs, webspiders, blogspots, MUTUAL website linking, etc, etc are the commonly accepted ways to drive traffic to sites. Such means will generate 10s of thousands of hits, WITHOUT THE NEED FOR "PERSONAL" INPUTS OR INVOLVEMENT. People who ARE still trying to "drum up trade" as you put it via groups like Yahoo, or forums of any sort, including this one, are either very small and not using the commonly used techniques of today (which includes but isnt limited to the ones above), or are more likely genuinely interested in the groups. - That was really my point.

Certainly speaking for myself, and im sure for Sandyspain and a couple of others, we would not dream of using a forum for promotion, for a variety of reasons.

As regards to me or anyone else with copyrighted pics objecting to them being published without their permission, sure, thats one of the reasons of copyrighting, which by the way, as im certain you know, has NOTHING to do with running a commercial site or not, it is simply an attempt to control the release of pics, by fully legal means. (sometimes worth highlighting that last point...).

While being a realist, and understanding that pics pop up all over the place, (i have been posting for a LONG time as you point out, actually helped promote Moriarty`s starting 10 years ago, when my site had only been running 4 years), and while understanding that people might not know where they got a pic from, or that it was originally copyrighted, most reasonable people WILL remove such pics if asked to do so. This seems to work for me 99%+ of the time, mostly I say, as I have done here as well, "I dont mind really but it would be nice to be asked first...".

As regards to "policing" as you put it, as regards commercial reasons, I could care less. In fact there are many, many pics of me up in free areas, several thousand in fact, including very regular updates. However, if you DONT ask for your own copyrighted pics to be removed, one of the affects is that these (now non copyright imaged pics), start proliferating and appearing in all sorts of places, many of which i wouldnt choose to have my pics appearing on, or being associated with.

It must be made clear however, in order to try and put some input into all the opinion that ranges on the subject, that copyright infringement and breaking is in FACT against the law. Thats not really open to debate. So the copyright owner really does have the legal right to request pics to be removed and to see that this happens. This is also the reason that a lot of hosting companies will pull sites if they are repeatedly informed that the site is breaking copyright in publication, becasue you see then the host has also been made aware, which in turn passes some liability...

Love,

Nikki.
xxx
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